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« Reply #15 on: March 17, 2008, 10:53:19 PM »

We ( individual members of the RCCC) were invited to pose questions for the Chairman via the CEO or The Scottish Curler.
I am suggesting we ask one simple question which i will start on a separate thread. If you agree with the question, you would add your name to the thread.

""An explanation as to why you cannot communicate with us via this forum would be appreciated""

Anybody see any problems with this approach??



Only problem which I can see is that you would have to reveal all and tell them who you really are - I would not expect anyone to respond to a question from an anonymous poster.
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« Reply #16 on: March 17, 2008, 11:30:49 PM »

Ok Sandy, as you are clearly you, would you be happy to pose the question in a new thread and any of us who agree with it can add our "names" to the thread.
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« Reply #17 on: March 18, 2008, 07:07:22 AM »

Go on, Sandy, you propose and I'll second it. Let's form a communications committee.
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« Reply #18 on: March 18, 2008, 09:31:38 AM »

Ok Sandy, as you are clearly you, would you be happy to pose the question in a new thread and any of us who agree with it can add our "names" to the thread.

It was your idea so I will be happy to let you run it.
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« Reply #19 on: March 18, 2008, 09:35:51 AM »

As JJK points out - the "i will not respond to an anonymous poster" attitude doesnt help and smacks of the communist overtones he hints of.

The facts are thus -
There are 146 registered curlers on this forum, probably many more will have a look.
Many, probably the majority will be RCCC members.
Most , if not all , are fair minded people who respect others opinions.

What is wrong with RCCC hhyins responding to the subjects brought up on the forum? After all - this is essentially what the rank and file are thinking about and discussing with each other.


In my experience anonymous posters tend to try to cause trouble - when I was a Local Authority Councillor I received a fair amount of hate mail which went straight into file 13.

There may be 146 registered members but 79 of these have never posted and some are not in Scotland and are unlikely to be RCCC members.
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« Reply #20 on: March 18, 2008, 09:37:19 AM »

Go on, Sandy, you propose and I'll second it. Let's form a communications committee.

The ideal committee is 3 and the other 2 are sick  Wink
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« Reply #21 on: March 18, 2008, 09:56:18 AM »

We ( individual members of the RCCC) were invited to pose questions for the Chairman via the CEO or The Scottish Curler.
I am suggesting we ask one simple question which i will start on a separate thread. If you agree with the question, you would add your name to the thread.

""An explanation as to why you cannot communicate with us via this forum would be appreciated""

Anybody see any problems with this approach??



Only problem which I can see is that you would have to reveal all and tell them who you really are - I would not expect anyone to respond to a question from an anonymous poster.

Sandy has a very valid point here...and it may well be the answer to the original question as to why the RCCC, or an appointed official will not communicate via the forum. I couldn't argue with this explanation and understand the reasoning behind it. A one off reply confirming the above would let us know once and for all that we should not expect any response to questions posed here unless we use our own name and possibly our RCCC membership number.

There you are RCCC, we've asked the question and maybe, answered it for you
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« Reply #22 on: March 30, 2008, 05:20:20 PM »

To my knowledge (and it is good knowledge) the RCCC does not control this forum. If they did, I believe the people responsible for it would shut it down and start another one. This is an independent forum.

If the RCCC decides that they cannot participate on this forum, it is right that we should be asking why not -- after all, we are the members of the RCCC. The post I made about the progress of the RCCC to post something on their website regarding the problem in Vernon does not mean they have made progress here, but it does mean that they are at least trying to keep the facts straight, and that is progress in itself. We can only hope that they will allow something to evolve so that a spokesperson can keep the facts straight here on this forum as well, as JMLB does in so many ways for the ECF and much else.

Communication and factual accuracy are not mystical concepts, they form the basis of every system that allows civilisation to flourish. If the RCCC ever goes down the road of dictatorship, devious tactics, etc. there will be no room for them in the system, and they don't need me to tell them that because they have enough brains to work it out for themselves -- if they don't, I know they follow this forum anyway.

Following events where we (as a body membership of this forum) went too far by referring to an employee of the RCCC in an inappropriate way, we were told to behave, and this we have done. Since then I believe everyone has been very objective and accurate with anything relating to the RCCC, and I have on occasion added posts to be sure the context remains valid. As I have said many times, we cannot expect the RCCC to solve all the problems of the curling world, we have to get on with it and do something for ourselves. It is our game, our RCCC (whether they like it or not!) and our responsibility to work together for the common good of curling.

This forum is brilliant and it is doing a very necessary job very well. Let's keep it that way, maybe the RCCC will join us one day. If they don't, THEY will be the losers. Meanwhile WE will be the winners on this forum, tackling all aspects of curling in a rational, sensible, open and often fun way. We can be forgiven that we believe the RCCC should be doing the same thing for curling in much the same way, but they have their rules and we have our (very simple) rules.

So, no slagging, no false information, no swipes at the RCCC, and long lives the forum.
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« Reply #23 on: March 30, 2008, 05:34:09 PM »

Excellent post JM
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« Reply #24 on: April 01, 2008, 11:47:29 AM »

February and March Board Minutes are now on the RCCC website.  I had a wee problem opening them but after communicating with the office worked out that download and open and if bits are missing go to View>Normal in Word and everything will be clear - probably my fault but I don't use Word very often.

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« Reply #25 on: April 09, 2008, 02:35:29 PM »

This post is to commiserate with Mike Ferguson, our Chairman soon not to be. Reading through his contribution in the Scottish Curler, I'm not sure why he is surprised at the lack of interest the average curler has in the RCCC, but I am sure he will be deeply disappointed.

Some relevant points with reference to that contribution:

1. Curlers have nowhere to curl that they consider worth the bother. No product, no customer, no enthusiasm.
2. I applaud your efforts towards facilities. I have battled for years to build a curling rink (or four) and so have others, but the mountain always seems to get higher. As you know I am still battling to build the Circle, and if I don't succeed you will never see me in a curling rink again. Why bother? What if everyone starts saying why bother?
3. Everyone in the RCCC has been asked many questions here on the forum, to which no-one from the RCCC has been able to reply. Why?
4. The operational plan does not mention the building of more curling rinks, as if "success" is the only plan. Why?

Mike, I am not going to pick a fight with you or the RCCC and I would like to communicate with you. But asking a question via Bob that will not be answered in public for at least four weeks is not communication. This forum is communication. So go for it, make it your legacy to modern curling and persuade the RCCC to communicate here through the modern, immediate medium. We promise to behave ourselves and will welcome you all with open arms.

PS If anyone has an email address for Mike, please copy/paste this to him.
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« Reply #26 on: May 08, 2008, 01:16:59 PM »

Thanks to a reply from Mike Ferguson in the Scottish Curler, we now understand why he is not prepared to reply to the SCF. Too many secret members, see, hiding behind false identities and having a good time criticising everything and everyone. I must admit, if I had to find a good reason fast, that is as good as they come.

So we're on our own, really, talk all you like, no-one will answer. Thanks Mike, it helps to know that communication is down to zero. Except business, of course. Duthie away, Theresa away, Annette on leave, Mike away  -- not many left, and no applicants for the board. Does anyone know anymore?
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« Reply #27 on: May 08, 2008, 02:12:48 PM »

I have not seen this months curler....   this is the one month of the year I cant buy one...   guess i should subscribe   (are there any newsagent outlets?). 
I believed one of the main reasons this forum was started by the rccc development officer (Jim) was to address  "the lack of communication between the grass roots membership and the governing body"     ?
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« Reply #28 on: May 08, 2008, 04:46:22 PM »

jjk

If people who are so devoted to the game as you are, who are vocal, who have opinions, who are passionate about our sport, do NOT subscribe to the magazine and support it, what chance, realistically, is there of the Scottish Curler continuing to survive?

Don't you care? 

Come on, do you want the Scottish Curler (and the blog) to continue? If you think the sport deserves an independent voice, then download a form, take out a subscription, and help keep the magazine alive.

How about writing for the magazine?

(In the meantime, you could drop in to the office in Dunfermline and buy May's issue, or drop me an email and I'll send you one)

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« Reply #29 on: May 08, 2008, 07:19:11 PM »

take out a subscription, and help keep the magazine alive.

Even if I never read the magazine (I do) it is well worth the subscription for the blog.
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