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« on: September 03, 2010, 09:07:28 PM »


OK so who is up for the job?

But if some of the "anti selection" lobby go for it - would they have any sort of chance?

Who elects / chooses the persons to fill the positions? UK sport? Sportscotland? RCCC? Home nations?

Again - as with the RCCC CEO - i doubt if any kind of "radical" person who was likely to shake things up would get the job.

So the fulltime RCCC CEO wasnt GM's cup of tea - how about director / chairman position for her - not so time consuming for her and would prove to all of us that we had somebody with curlings best interests in an influential position.

anybody else fit the bill for the other positions?
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« Reply #1 on: September 04, 2010, 08:44:04 PM »

I was thinking of applying but after reading the comments by DA it might not be a great idea!

"anti selection" and "radical" and an active dislike of a member of staff would come in to the argument as well as my age - 70 next time round.

I hope GM doesn't apply since I would rather see her continue to Curl at the top level and hopefully represent Scotland/UK in the future.

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« Reply #2 on: September 05, 2010, 01:59:54 PM »

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Don't think British Curling has any staff?

As for DA's point - the last Board was elected by the outgoing BCA Chairman (representing the English CA), a representative of the Welsh Curling Association, the Chairman of the Scottish Wheelchair Association, the CEO of the RCCC, and representatives from sport Scotland and UKSport if I remember right.
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« Reply #3 on: September 05, 2010, 08:44:02 PM »

British Curling website has a list of "staff" at http://www.britishcurling.org.uk/Staff-g.asp
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« Reply #4 on: September 06, 2010, 09:26:43 PM »

I was looking for advice/help/constructive criticism but seem to have received almost complete silence.  Do any/many people read SCF?  and if the do why don't they contribute?  Any Forum needs contributors and comments.

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« Reply #5 on: September 06, 2010, 11:21:04 PM »

Yes I think your inverted commas around staff are probably correct - are Directors actually "staff"Huh
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« Reply #6 on: September 07, 2010, 06:07:01 AM »

I was looking for advice/help/constructive criticism but seem to have received almost complete silence.  Do any/many people read SCF?  and if the do why don't they contribute?  Any Forum needs contributors and comments.

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Well, Sandy, we do read and listen. In my own opinion, this is not for the likes of us. There are some very good people working there, but there are far too many who are more interested in holding on to their positions (once they got there, of course, having climbed some hefty ladders of positions in the wider curling scenario) than actually doing something constructive. The only decisions they will make will be to protect themselves, and nothing really changes. Look into politics where they make a career of it, yet their hands are tied to party lines and historical "it was always thus". Democracy has its flaws.

There have been occasions when I too had been advised to consider positions and apply for them. It is not me, I like to take a problem and deal with it, get it sorted, get it done. Get on with it, and never mind the politics. Usually, invariably, once I try to do something I'm faced by a wall of Chairmen and Directors who say no, that is not how the system works, you need us to get there, we control the funding and you do as we say. I don't have much faith in all that because it doesn't work, so I'll stay out of it.
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« Reply #7 on: September 07, 2010, 07:32:35 AM »

Sandy - I think you are right. People are being reticent to comment because they think it doesnt affect them and their local curling - WRONG -  These positions probably affect the competitive end of scottish curling and all the development pathways more than anything that the RCCC does.

This is the point where the RCCC can take a stand on the policy taken in regards to Olympic policy. We bemoaned the fact that it wasnt the RCCC that had it in its power to stop a "selection" type policy and replace it with an open trials system. We bemoaned curlings "west lothian" question in regards to other uk players. And we bemoaned how the selection policy and funding wrecked the domestic competitive game as it skewed all the resources to one team and nobody else could compete with full time curlers.

NOW IS THE OPPORTUNITY TO CHANGE ALL THAT!

I said it was unlikely that a person with a "non selection" policy stood no chance - but if it is up to the RCCC, ECA, WCA, Wheelchair people and SIS/UK Sport then the home associations hold the whip hand in that situation to do what is best for their domestic - not what may be dictated to by UK sport. The associations do "control " the players and without their support  UK Sport caould not function properly in curling terms.

So RCCC - LETS SEE YOU HAVE SOME SPINE - AND USE THIS AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO APPOINT PEOPLE WHO WILL WORK TO MAINTAIN RCCC INTERESTS INSTEAD OF BEINGF YES MEN TO UK SPORT!
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« Reply #8 on: September 07, 2010, 09:23:57 AM »

Aye a couple of names spring to mind

Gail Munro (as suggested by DA) - definately not an establishment figure in elite curling but has experience in that respect. She also has massive respect in the Ladies game and a prominant figure at Ladies Branch. Controversial maybe - but would prove that there would be a serious shake-up. If not her - what about Hammy?

OTB - (where has he gone? Hasnt posted for ages) A "youngish" curler who has a keen interest in the game and has brought many good ideas forward on the forum.

I probably wouldnt like to see some of the usual "elite" cabal who have been involved up to this point - needs a change.

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« Reply #9 on: September 07, 2010, 10:45:41 AM »

What is the ACTUAL crtiscism of British Curling? If it is that the teams could have been prepared better then i dont see how. If it is that the teams didnt win medals then i am afraid that can never be guaranteed. Is it about who was selected? That is always going to be subjective...( i admit the karen addison episode could have been handled better but that is maybe a press issue for the BOC rather than anything to do with british curling).
The selection issue is nothing to do with British Curling. They are absolutely within their rights to allow themselves to pick who they think will be the best team. IF the selection of "teams" is wrong (and I think it is) then the "guilty" ones are those who ALLOW it to happen 1) the players;  2)The ECF and WCF and 3). the rccc, eca and wca.
While i remain absolutely convinced that the best interest of british curling are served by an olympic cycle which would culminate in an olympic play-off, that is only my opinion and only as valid as anyone else' opinion. What in my mind is not open to debate is that each "Team GB" should comprise only players from one home country. ( The west Lothian or kinross question as copey called it). The alternative is unthinkable i.e that the home nations should be represented by GB at europeans and the worlds.
The fairest way is the canadian way. A series of qualifiers and qualifying criteria leading to a play-off. But that will only happen when the players decide that is what they want. The trouble is that not many want to upset an apple cart that they have a chance of climbing aboard.
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« Reply #10 on: September 07, 2010, 04:01:39 PM »

JJK's general thrust is spot on but a few points to note -
"The selection issue is nothing to do with British Curling. They are absolutely within their rights to allow themselves to pick who they think will be the best team. IF the selection of "teams" is wrong (and I think it is) then the "guilty" ones are those who ALLOW it to happen 1) the players;  2)The ECF and WCF and 3). the rccc, eca and wca."
JJK correct in saying that British Curling is within its rights to select a team if it wants to - that is its remit - however that doesnt mean that that process is good for the sport - it might deliver a medal but equally many reckon its ruining the competitive end of the sport. That is the responsibilty of the RCCC/ECA/WCA who appoint the members of British Curling. So JJK is right to say that in effect it is up to the home associations to change things. (IMO it is bugger all to do with the ECA/WCF-it is up to individual countries how they pick their representatives)

"The fairest way is the canadian way. A series of qualifiers and qualifying criteria leading to a play-off. But that will only happen when the players decide that is what they want. The trouble is that not many want to upset an apple cart that they have a chance of climbing aboard."
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That is my opinion also - but i dont agree its in the players power to decide how things happen - they will just have to get on with it whatever the system - it is more likely that there will be a backlash of coaches, technicians, management and general "hingers on" that will create and say it cant be done any other way than the status quo. - it is them that needs standing up to and that a trials process is for the better good of the game and will result in just as much chance of returning  medals.
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« Reply #11 on: September 08, 2010, 10:12:48 AM »

DA.... glad you agree with me!  The point i make with regard to the ecf and wcf is that they agree/support an amalgamated team. I cannot see how this can be permitted. As i have pointed out earlier you could have a member of the GB olympic team playing for england against scotland (the point gatherer) and whether GB qualified for the olympics might depend on england losing that particular game. I am not saying anyone would throw a game but it is just not a correct scenario to be allowed. Ergo...The Gb team HAS to comprise members of one home nation only. This would mean that the other nations (assuming we stick with one country accruing olympic points) would have to have the opportunity to challenge and IMO this opens up the whole procedure.
We all know that there is not a lot of sponsorship cash going about the scottish curling circuit and there are not any competitions outwith perth and edinburgh that are top class. Scotland can coach and "academise" all the talent forever (and scotland have outstanding world class coaches ) but without regular MEANINGFUL competitions the majority of the talent is not going to achieve game and mental toughness.
When curling achieved olympic status those running the sport were handed a "currency" lifeline which could have created a dynamic curling tour in uk. That currency was/is olympic qualification points. I fear it has been p****d against the wall.
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« Reply #12 on: September 08, 2010, 05:03:55 PM »

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« Reply #13 on: September 09, 2010, 09:06:07 AM »

Agree with this and said before we should have a strong 'tour' in Scotland/UK rather than sending elite teams to Canada and Europe for competitive events. 

This would also help Scottish rinks, hotels, local business and so help in the search of sponsorship.  Rather than help the Canadian or Swiss economy. Sending teams of 5 and 6 off to Canada for 2 weeks must cost £10-15k or more, this money could be spent on Scottish events and for £15k you could run a decent event.
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« Reply #14 on: September 09, 2010, 10:43:48 PM »

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ecf and wcf is that they agree/support an amalgamated team. I cannot see how this can be permitted.

I do not think the WCF (the ECF are irrelevant here) really care about how the team for GB is selected - they just need to have a GB team there at the Olympics. They have no interest in whether it is selected, plays a playdown or is drawn out of a hat. And I do not think you will get an agreement from the BOA that there should be a restriction based on nationality in the selection of a GB team.
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