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« Reply #15 on: April 14, 2009, 06:41:17 PM »

I might be a bit late in posting this but i have to agree with both John and wee eddie that an apoplogy to Lyndsay and Gail would be in order as well as some sort of compensation!


I reckon you have more chance of Gordie Broon apologising to Mr Cameron than that happening
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« Reply #16 on: April 14, 2009, 11:11:22 PM »

I might be a her than laterbit late in posting this but i have to agree with both John and wee eddie that an apoplogy to Lyndsay and Gail would be in order as well as some sort of compensation!



curl1506  I've got to agree with you on this; as if the Nicholson report wasn't enough to convince us that Gail and Lyndsay should be vindiated then surley the report of the Conduct Panel does.  12+ months is a long time to have this hanging over you and I would hope that the HHY's will come to their senses and make sure that it all comes to a satisfactory conclusion sooner rather than later.  If they don't then I would think that the girls now have enough to convince a court that they were defamed and that just couldn't be good for Curling.
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« Reply #17 on: April 16, 2009, 09:17:46 AM »

The Carrick Gazette has made up its mind:
http://www.carricktoday.co.uk/sport/No-sanctions-over-curling-crisis.5173035.jp

 "Published Date:  15 April 2009
STRANRAER curlers Gail Munro and Lyndsay Wilson have been told the Royal Caledonian Curling Club will not impose any sanctions on them over the 'Vernon incident' because, firstly, the complaint against them has been withdrawn and secondly, they did not have a case to answer."

As being discussed in another thread in the Off the Ice section of this Forum, the Board meets today. It will be of interest to find out where it all goes from here.

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« Reply #18 on: April 16, 2009, 06:08:04 PM »

Are we all waiting for something to happen?  No posts since this morning.
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« Reply #19 on: April 17, 2009, 08:02:43 AM »

Board mins haven't been published as far as I can see Sandy
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« Reply #20 on: April 21, 2009, 05:16:16 PM »

The Conduct Panel has reported its findings. I've summarised their letter here:
http://skipcottage.blogspot.com/2009/04/conduct-panel-reports.html

I must admit to being surprised at some of the information therein.

Bob

So surprised that it isn't there anymore!!

"The rest of this post, which contained details contained in the letter, has been removed, under advice. "

Is it advice from the HHY's the Conduct Panel, DB, GM, LW Huh

What on earth is going on? 
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« Reply #21 on: April 21, 2009, 05:18:50 PM »

The Carrick Gazette has made up its mind:
http://www.carricktoday.co.uk/sport/No-sanctions-over-curling-crisis.5173035.jp

 "Published Date:  15 April 2009
STRANRAER curlers Gail Munro and Lyndsay Wilson have been told the Royal Caledonian Curling Club will not impose any sanctions on them over the 'Vernon incident' because, firstly, the complaint against them has been withdrawn and secondly, they did not have a case to answer."

As being discussed in another thread in the Off the Ice section of this Forum, the Board meets today. It will be of interest to find out where it all goes from here.

Bob

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« Reply #22 on: April 21, 2009, 06:47:33 PM »

Apparently there a section in the RCCC's Ethics Manual, which of course is not readily available, which indicates that the Conduct Panel's decision should not have been published just yet. 

Colin Grahamslaw has extracted this for me. Paragraph 28 "No publication of a decision or sanction shall take place until the time for appeal has expired or an appeal has been decided."

I understand that Derek Brown is appealing the decisions.

So the saga continues!

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« Reply #23 on: April 22, 2009, 08:30:32 AM »

Apparently there a section in the RCCC's Ethics Manual, which of course is not readily available, which indicates that the Conduct Panel's decision should not have been published just yet. 

Colin Grahamslaw has extracted this for me. Paragraph 28 "No publication of a decision or sanction shall take place until the time for appeal has expired or an appeal has been decided."

I understand that Derek Brown is appealing the decisions.

So the saga continues!

Bob


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From what I remember of your post there were only two decisions made by the Conduct panel.   

1. Not to pursue DB's complaint against LW & GM, with reasoning.
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2. Not to pursue GM's complaint against DB, with reasoning .

Everything else that was quoted from their letter was just the opinion of the Conduct Panel.

So, what DB is really saying, by appealing, is that having asked for his complaint to be withdrawn he now wants to reinstate it and also he really would like to answer the complaint made against him.  How bizarre! Huh
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« Reply #24 on: April 22, 2009, 10:50:17 AM »

Agree with Huh, does seem strange, does DB want action taken now? (I assure against the players and not him but that could back fire if action taken against him then not the players) If the players got action taken against them then in theory they could appeal as well. 

Should DM not be focusing on Olympics next year not event last year?
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« Reply #25 on: April 22, 2009, 10:55:20 AM »

Assuming you meant DB and NOT DM shouldn't he just be resigning since most people seem to have lost faith in him?
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« Reply #26 on: April 22, 2009, 11:11:08 AM »

DB is desperate to hang onto his job.

Once the Olympics are over he will stop all his shilly-shallying.
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« Reply #27 on: April 22, 2009, 11:14:30 AM »

Apparently there a section in the RCCC's Ethics Manual, which of course is not readily available, which indicates that the Conduct Panel's decision should not have been published just yet. 

Colin Grahamslaw has extracted this for me. Paragraph 28 "No publication of a decision or sanction shall take place until the time for appeal has expired or an appeal has been decided."

I understand that Derek Brown is appealing the decisions.


Can anybody see, or explain the logic in this, it seems to be contrary to our accepted legal system where a decision is made and published, then, where grounds are found, an appeal is lodged and a decision published.

My reading of this Para 28...the panel makes a decision and conveys it to those concerned, but not made public and after the time limit for an appeal has expired we can all get to know what was decided.........unless an appeal is made.

You would only know if the decision was being appealed if the result was not made public?Huh 

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« Reply #28 on: April 22, 2009, 12:35:20 PM »

DB is desperate to hang onto his job.

Once the Olympics are over he will stop all his shilly-shallying.

Never heard that saying before - had to look it up!!

shil·ly-shal·ly (shl-shl)
intr.v. shil·ly-shal·lied (-ld), shil·ly-shal·ly·ing, shil·ly-shal·lies (-lz)
1. To procrastinate.
2. To be unable to come to a decision; vacillate.
3. To spend time on insignificant things; dawdle.

I like it.

I would have to say that if I was paying him then I wouldn't be happy about it.  I know that the RCCC don't pay him and therefore can't easily get rid of him and to give them a little credit they did announce that they intend to bring the post in house after 2010 but what about making a stance now and at the very least refuse to work with him.  Let his employers see that his unproffesional behaviour is not acceptable to the membership and ultimately the players who sign a contract to do whatever is his will.

Someone, can't remember who, suggested that he should do the honourable thing and resign and I get the feeling that this isn't going to go away until he does.
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« Reply #29 on: April 22, 2009, 01:57:44 PM »

Huh ~ Let me give you a small hint!

1. Sometimes served as "Brown Windsor Soup"

2. Lord Beeching reduced their Network.
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