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« on: April 08, 2009, 08:28:32 PM »

The Conduct Panel has reported its findings. I've summarised their letter here:
http://skipcottage.blogspot.com/2009/04/conduct-panel-reports.html

I must admit to being surprised at some of the information therein.

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« Reply #1 on: April 08, 2009, 09:09:54 PM »
Just read it. Delighted to say that I have nothing I want to say. Except I'm glad it's over.
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« Reply #2 on: April 08, 2009, 09:31:27 PM »
Can anyone explain to me what the vernon report achieved.... apart from costing money...   and more importantly (much more importantly) what was it ever going to achieve?
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« Reply #3 on: April 08, 2009, 10:03:40 PM »
I think the Final Chapter justifies a lot of worry and expense.  What will/should happen now?
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« Reply #4 on: April 08, 2009, 10:12:24 PM »
Quote from: jjk on April 08, 2009, 09:31:27 PM
Can anyone explain to me what the vernon report achieved.... apart from costing money...   and more importantly (much more importantly) what was it ever going to achieve?

To me, the fundamental achievement of the report was to highlight the incompetence of our National Coach and it now begs the question.  Why is he still in post?

The Conduct Panel, on the other hand, was set up to implement the Sanctions available to it in the Ethics Manual, in relation to the complaints made against Derek Brown, Gail Munro & Lyndsay Wilson.

Bob’s post, which includes extracts from that Panels finding, not only confirms the findings of the Nicholson Report but also highlights the failings of the RCCC Ethics Manual – It is seemingly not fit for purpose and the Conduct Panel were therefore unable to carry this through.
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« Reply #5 on: April 08, 2009, 10:36:17 PM »
Quote from: Sandy Morton on April 08, 2009, 10:03:40 PM
I think the Final Chapter justifies a lot of worry and expense.  What will/should happen now?

I feel compelled to disagree with you on this one Sandy  Wink

I'm not sure that anything could justify the amount of money that all parties, not just the RCCC, have spent on this affair and that is not to mention the worry that they have all had.

How can it be that 12 months down the line the Conduct Panel decide that they lawfully cannot proceed to impose sanctions against those who had complaints upheld against them.  I say upheld because to get to this stage the complaints had to first of all pass through the responsible officer and then the Investigator.  And, amazingly we now find out that Derek Brown withdrew his complaint against Gail Munro and Lyndsay Wilson.  What was that all about?

What should happen now, INVHO, is a very public apology should be forthcomming to Gail & Lyndsay followed by the resignation of first, Derek Brown, then Bob Tait and finally Colin Grahamslaw.

Then we can stop talking about it.  Grin
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« Reply #6 on: April 08, 2009, 10:51:55 PM »
Quote from: ??? on April 08, 2009, 10:36:17 PM
Quote from: Sandy Morton on April 08, 2009, 10:03:40 PM
I think the Final Chapter justifies a lot of worry and expense.  What will/should happen now?

I feel compelled to disagree with you on this one Sandy  Wink

I'm not sure that anything could justify the amount of money that all parties, not just the RCCC, have spent on this affair and that is not to mention the worry that they have all had.

How can it be that 12 months down the line the Conduct Panel decide that they lawfully cannot proceed to impose sanctions against those who had complaints upheld against them.  I say upheld because to get to this stage the complaints had to first of all pass through the responsible officer and then the Investigator.  And, amazingly we now find out that Derek Brown withdrew his complaint against Gail Munro and Lyndsay Wilson.  What was that all about?

What should happen now, INVHO, is a very public apology should be forthcomming to Gail & Lyndsay followed by the resignation of first, Derek Brown, then Bob Tait and finally Colin Grahamslaw.

Then we can stop talking about it.  Grin

I was agreeing with you till you got to the very last bit - unfortunately Bob Tait inherited the situation last summer and it clearly states in the V report that Big C repeatedly asked DB that he was sure that gail was refusing to take to the ice. He could only go along with what he was told by his employee 3000 miles away.

DB has to go - no question.
If RCCC doesnt do anything everybody will be asking what the point of it all is - if there are no repercussions or action.
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« Reply #7 on: April 08, 2009, 11:03:45 PM »
Quote from: Devils Advocate on April 08, 2009, 10:51:55 PM
Quote from: ??? on April 08, 2009, 10:36:17 PM
Quote from: Sandy Morton on April 08, 2009, 10:03:40 PM
I think the Final Chapter justifies a lot of worry and expense.  What will/should happen now?

I feel compelled to disagree with you on this one Sandy  Wink

I'm not sure that anything could justify the amount of money that all parties, not just the RCCC, have spent on this affair and that is not to mention the worry that they have all had.

How can it be that 12 months down the line the Conduct Panel decide that they lawfully cannot proceed to impose sanctions against those who had complaints upheld against them.  I say upheld because to get to this stage the complaints had to first of all pass through the responsible officer and then the Investigator.  And, amazingly we now find out that Derek Brown withdrew his complaint against Gail Munro and Lyndsay Wilson.  What was that all about?

What should happen now, INVHO, is a very public apology should be forthcomming to Gail & Lyndsay followed by the resignation of first, Derek Brown, then Bob Tait and finally Colin Grahamslaw.

Then we can stop talking about it.  Grin

I was agreeing with you till you got to the very last bit - unfortunately Bob Tait inherited the situation last summer and it clearly states in the V report that Big C repeatedly asked DB that he was sure that gail was refusing to take to the ice. He could only go along with what he was told by his employee 3000 miles away.

DB has to go - no question.
If RCCC doesnt do anything everybody will be asking what the point of it all is - if there are no repercussions or action.

I agree with you DA, I maybe did go abit far asking for support for the other heads to roll but I still think it is the only way for it to stop.

I also agree that BT inherited the situation but I certainly wouldn't say that he handled it very well  Huh

Amazingly, I also agree with your point about Big C taking the word of his employee but I also know that he had alot to do with the aftermath and the reason we are still talking about it 12 months down the line and i'm sure if he could turn the clock back he himself would agree that he could have handled it better.  It seems to have been forgotten that there was also a complaint lodged against him over this whole sordid affair which apparently they did manage to sweep under the axminster  Shocked
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« Reply #8 on: April 08, 2009, 11:37:36 PM »
I'll miss out a lot of what has been said and my only comments will be as follows.

Bob Tait along with his colleagues did try very hard to get it sorted out.

I now feel that a full and public apology to the ladies involved should be made at the RCCC AGM.

The control of Scottish Curling in its entirety should return to the RCCC.
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« Reply #9 on: April 09, 2009, 02:49:28 AM »
I think that I can, at long last, pitch my tent and move on. I also think that we can safely ask ourselves if this conclusion would have been reached without the machinations of the Honourable Members of this Forum

I hope that DB is removed from his post before he does any more damage, and that Gail and Lyndsay are recompensed for any expenses that they have had to bare.

I do not think that Bob Tait and Colin Grahamslaw should be castigated, but I do think that those that appointed Derek Brown should step up to the Hack and offer a suitably humble apology for inflicting the Elite of Scottish Curling with this, Janus like, Gentleman.

Meanwhile, to the best of my knowledge he is still in Post and possibly pushing our young, by my standards anyway, Curlers toward paranoia.
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« Reply #10 on: April 09, 2009, 06:52:01 AM »
Although no-one comes out of this squeeky clean, I think it is quite clear that Gail and Lyndsay deserve an apology not only from the RCCC and many posters here, but also from DB. It is also quite clear where the blame lies for the whole fiasco, and I do not believe the RCCC to be responsible. They had the mess to clear up, never easy, and this has now been done.

Thanks must go to Bob for keeping us all informed, and for being able to express his considerable opinion on the blogs.
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« Reply #11 on: April 09, 2009, 10:23:17 AM »
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Can anyone explain to me what the vernon report achieved.... apart from costing money...   and more importantly (much more importantly) what was it ever going to achieve?

I do take your point jjk, but let us suppose for a moment that there had NOT been a report.  Would the truth have ever been told?  Would Lyndsay and Gail have been hung out to dry as 100% the wrong 'uns had there not been a report?  Would the disciplinary panel have been empowered to write such a report had the report not been in the public domain?
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« Reply #12 on: April 09, 2009, 10:33:09 AM »
I have to agree with Gramacho83f. This is the brave new world of post-Olympic curling.  I know we don't recognise it yet as "our game"  but the more elite the sport becomes, the more every "mistake" will have to be investigated in public.
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« Reply #13 on: April 09, 2009, 10:35:08 AM »
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I have to agree with Gramacho83f.

That'll be a first, then Smiley
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« Reply #14 on: April 14, 2009, 03:18:20 PM »
I might be a bit late in posting this but i have to agree with both John and wee eddie that an apoplogy to Lyndsay and Gail would be in order as well as some sort of compensation!
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