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« Reply #30 on: March 07, 2009, 04:35:14 PM »

My biggest shock in reading this report is that the National Coach employed by the SIS has displayed a TOTAL lack of professionalism.

There was Zero planning  and absolutely no evidence of any skill in people management.  He didn't make any effort to get to know his team & his communication with all parties was horrendous.

It seems obvious that from very early in the tournament he was aware of serious issues. He did not react to this in any way , there is no evidence that anyone recorded details of any meetings or discussions or agreed actions, surely a basic principle in management of any situation!!!

He then at one point "pulled rank" and took a decision ...but then at a later date was happy to relinquish responsibility to a volunteer coach!!

I hate to get crude but is this man lacking in brains, spine and effective genitalia ?!!

If he was employed by any self respecting company at a high level of mangement  HE would be facing serious allegations of incompetence adequate to result in severe disciplinary action .

I hope this is the view of the SIS and as soon as possible!

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« Reply #31 on: March 07, 2009, 05:42:01 PM »

IN reply to HHS....your post clearly states to me you know nothing of what is really going on in the international curling world! and clearly neither do "some" of the other ill informed posters either .....the 4 other GB players I'm sure are not worried by Kelly and Lorna's visit to Vancouver. Lynn couldn't attend due to work committments (I believe), Eve is already there! and Kaz and Jackie will fly to Korea to play the worlds and in their professionalism did not go in order to prevent increased jet lag! Ok that answers that.......... NOW please no more speculation.
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« Reply #32 on: March 07, 2009, 05:45:14 PM »

Gail, if you’re reading this, I would draw your attention to page 52 of the appendices. This is a transcript of a press interview. Derek Brown categorically states that you refused to return to the ice. According to Michael Nicholson’s report, at no stage were you physically asked to return to the ice, in fact, you were actually asked not to go on the ice. He (DB) has blatantly lied to the press. This same quotation appeared in most tabloids in Canada and some in the UK. He has defamed you categorically and in doing so has damaged your reputation and that should not go unpunished. I sincerely hope you will pursue this further.
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« Reply #33 on: March 07, 2009, 05:51:59 PM »

IN reply to HHS....your post clearly states to me you know nothing of what is really going on in the international curling world! and clearly neither do "some" of the other ill informed posters either .....the 4 other GB players I'm sure are not worried by Kelly and Lorna's visit to Vancouver. Lynn couldn't attend due to work committments (I believe), Eve is already there! and Kaz and Jackie will fly to Korea to play the worlds and in their professionalism did not go in order to prevent increased jet lag! Ok that answers that.......... NOW please no more speculation.

You seem to be in the know so i thank you for answering my first question and would respectfully invite you to answer my second question - 'why do they need to be there at all?
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« Reply #34 on: March 07, 2009, 06:32:09 PM »

Sorry ....can't help you there Sad  you would need to ask the GB staff.
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« Reply #35 on: March 07, 2009, 07:01:58 PM »

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« Reply #36 on: March 07, 2009, 07:17:39 PM »

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« Reply #37 on: March 07, 2009, 08:57:07 PM »

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'why do they need to be there at all?

Well since the Olympics are going to be played in the same stadium do you not think it is a good idea for them to be out there to get an initial understanding of the venue and any issues they might face so that they can act on them before they get there in 2010?? Seems like a bit of forethought to me - something which others are asking for more of.



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« Reply #38 on: March 08, 2009, 09:40:51 AM »

Obviously it isn't that important given it's dropped off the RCCC's home page in less than a couple of days.  I would have thought this should have had pole position at the top of the headlines!
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« Reply #39 on: March 08, 2009, 10:02:36 AM »

I thought you were pulling my chain OTB, so i checked for myself. Should have known better than to doubt you.
I can not believe that the most important report to affect the Royal club and its members in years is so quickly being pushed to one side. The royal club should be promoting this as there main head line till the end of the season, encouraging as many members as possible to read it and embracing it's findings. Only by doing this can curling learn and move forward in the right direction. Come on Royal club, stand tall, admit mistakes were made, be proud and tell the members that lessons will be learnt and that you are striving to push our game forward in the right direction but please do not try and sweep this under the carpet. It will only make you look weak and very foolish.
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« Reply #40 on: March 08, 2009, 10:45:25 AM »

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'why do they need to be there at all?

Well since the Olympics are going to be played in the same stadium do you not think it is a good idea for them to be out there to get an initial understanding of the venue and any issues they might face so that they can act on them before they get there in 2010?? Seems like a bit of forethought to me - something which others are asking for more of.





I think a lot depends what they are doing in Vancouver, sitting watching curling after a wander round the arena, from my varies trips to worlds, and many ice hockey games in Canada then most stadiums have a similar design, 'u seen 1 u seen them all' type thing.  I would not think seeing another large ice arena will add much.  As someone did mention before the word 'jolly' does spring to mind!
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« Reply #41 on: March 08, 2009, 10:50:28 AM »

Had considered putting this on the World Juniors thread but decided it probably suited this one better and I merely ask the questions.

Graeme Black's individual stats are not too impressive at the moment. Will the coaching staff be considering dropping him, either down the team or all together, and bringing in their fifth player?

Or will they allow this great young curler to continue, to give him the chance to improve and to savour the experience of the 'worlds' and learn/benefit from it?

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« Reply #42 on: March 08, 2009, 11:18:23 AM »

jimbo - I hope they give him a chance to continue.  We're only three games in to the tournament and I'm confident the boys will turn it around.  They just need time to settle as they've never been at a worlds before. 

Good to know the RCCC must follow this forum as I notice the report is where it should be on the home page..........so thanks for taking my point onboard!
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« Reply #43 on: March 08, 2009, 12:24:50 PM »

Having taken a good deal of time reading through the report and considering it's conclusions it's difficult to bring anything new to this discussion at the moment.  I have been calling for the publication of this quite openly on here for a while now and it's difficult to know what to take on it after first reading.  Here are a coupe of my thoughts though:

1: Far too many people went to Vernon on the pretence of representing Scotland and I include players, coaches, HHY's and support staff in this.  For something that outwardly projects a professional approach the coaching and support side of the party it seems would be better saving their air fares.

2: The fact that an unfunded team would win the Scottish was not considered a possibility, sheer arrogance in my view from the powers that be.

3: A clear lack of preparation for an event such as this was undertaken, see again under support staff.

4: Kudos for the statement on the RCCC website in which Bob Tait opens up and tells us everything he can at this point.  I have been harping on about being open and he's done that.

5: How can no-one knowabout the RCCC ethics manual, even I've heard of it.  Perhaps it should be given, sorry issued as a compulsory cost to all club secretaries much like the annuals?

6: Consideration should be given to the position of Derek Brown, and I wonder if the previous experience of dealing with people in their previous employments should be considered.  After all some jobs can demand respect, others simply earn it.

7:  Finally I was one of the people who lost the keyboard and started ranting and raving about the conduct of Mrs Munro and Mrs Wilson when this story broke last year.  I stated a great deal of opinion based on the information that was on the RCCC website at the time.  The report shows that this comment, due to the lack of communication again, was incorrect as far as I'm concerned.  I'm big enough to say that I was wrong and apologise unreservedly for the comments that I made about the lack of participation on the part of the two ladies.  It would appear that I was wrong and I am sorry.

8.  OTB you spotted the fact that the link was hidden around the same time as me, glad someone else got that in.

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« Reply #44 on: March 08, 2009, 12:32:55 PM »

Thanks sd for a very well written post - covers the whole Vernon affair and report very adequately.

I am encouraged by Bob Taits comments but principally this one -
"The Board believes that events in Vernon provide further evidence that the National Coach should be an employee of the RCCC"

I cannot condone Derek Browns actions or attitude but it must be murder working for three bosses/committees.
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