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« on: March 05, 2009, 09:14:02 AM »


(Sorry if this topic has already started, maybe someone can point me to it if it has.)

Does anyone know if the Juniors is going to be webcast anywhere? 

good luck to both our teams!!

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« Reply #1 on: March 05, 2009, 06:47:03 PM »

There is no webcasting in Vancouver at the present time. However Curlit have a stone by stone (or rock by rock) on the games. could be something to do with curlits contract. Will check to see if why CurTV not here though.
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« Reply #2 on: March 06, 2009, 11:48:19 AM »

I see that the board's equivalent of the Mexican Wave continues unabated on another thread.  I enjoyed the link that jjk made - never fear, jjk - I got it if no one else did Smiley

That said, If ever they chose to log on, our junior champions must feel that they have entered an alternative universe for all the attention we seem to be paying them Huh  We know from previous experience that international competitors do log on from time to time and Vancouver is a long way from Frankfurt and indeed from Scotland.  Big events can sometimes be lonely places, especially if it is your first one, so a cheery hullo and good luck for the rest of the competition to both teams.

The men lost a tight game against the strong USA team, but must not let their heads go down as it is early days yet for them.  After a strong start against France, the Scots ladies lost to Canada, but Eve and her team are too experienced to let one wee upset blow them off course for their medals! 
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« Reply #3 on: March 06, 2009, 11:58:49 AM »

Our teams abroad should know we are all rooting for them and watching progress avidly. Good luck to them all.
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« Reply #4 on: March 08, 2009, 07:01:26 PM »

In this morning's game in Vancouver, Ally Fraser the third player for Team Black, was replaced by the alternate Glen Muirhead, not because of injury.

So, we had a Scottish four playing, that had never previously been on the ice together before. Am I the only one who believes this is absolutely and completely WRONG?

The team were beaten by Russia.

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« Reply #5 on: March 08, 2009, 07:04:12 PM »

You are not alone - it should be a team and the fifth player is only used because of illness/injury - all imvho.
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« Reply #7 on: March 08, 2009, 07:16:39 PM »

In this morning's game in Vancouver, Ally Fraser the third player for Team Black, was replaced by the alternate Glen Muirhead, not because of injury.

So, we had a Scottish four playing, that had never previously been on the ice together before. Am I the only one who believes this is absolutely and completely WRONG?

The team were beaten by Russia.

Bob

Totally wrong. This is exactly what will happen in Korea too.
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« Reply #8 on: March 08, 2009, 07:26:36 PM »

Yeah, afraid to say it is looking like a repeat of last years performance at this point. And with playing Germany, China, USA and Russia so far a 1-3 record is not good. These teams would seem to be some of the weakest at the competition. They will have to beat some of the big teams to not be lingering in the relegation zone at the end of the week.

But saying that, they are only on 3 losses. They can still win the gold. But Glen should skip, or they are in trouble.
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« Reply #9 on: March 08, 2009, 07:46:32 PM »

I believe that Glen will find himself throwing last stones before the week is out as it is important that Scotland do not find themselves in the same position that they were in last year when they were facing relegation.

Then why do we even bother having a National Championship?

Look, if the team that wins the Scottish is not good enough to finish in the top eight at the Worlds (and we may never now find whether this is indeed the case this year as the team is already being tinkered with), then the problem lies with the current state of our junior curling at home. 

Graeme and his team performed well this season in European events on their own initiative.

My point is, that if you put together four curlers that have never ever been on the ice together before, can you really expect them to do well? Such experimentation should not be carried out at a World Championship.

As commented on in other threads - the power in curling has transferred to the coaches. This makes me uncomfortable.

So what if we are relegated? That would at least provide a wakeup call to the RCCC Performance Committee to address how our junior curling could/should be improved, in general. In my own opinion, junior curling is not enough of a priority at the moment but this is perhaps the subject for another thread.
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« Reply #10 on: March 08, 2009, 08:19:13 PM »

right with you Bob!!!

So what if they finished 6th this year! Using this experience they would have been better next year if they were champions again.

Taking the skip from one of their main opposition teams probably undermined confidence right from the start. (funnily enough - a funded player that couldnt make the final!)

This happens time and again - when will they learn? A team who does well all season without any interference, wins the scottish, gets put in the hands of RCCC coaches (strangers) with the "winning formula" analysed, tinkered and taken to bits. Results go the wrong way and the team gets dismembered. Sounds all very familiar doesnt it?

They win the scottish - they should go with their own coach and 5th man. Input from the support staff should be requested for by the coach and assesed - and either used or not - Team coaches decision. end of!

Lets not forget - these are juniors - WHY are they under so much pressure to win everything?Huh??
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« Reply #11 on: March 08, 2009, 08:21:42 PM »

i just want to add ---
GOD it makes me so bloody angry !!
probably because it was so bloody predictable !!
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« Reply #12 on: March 08, 2009, 08:33:28 PM »

Is it genetic?

Or is it just more likely to happen if you come from the North?

Glen Muirhead for Ally Fraser in 2009; Gordon Muirhead for Neil Hampton in 2000.
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« Reply #13 on: March 08, 2009, 09:09:40 PM »

Anyway who says that it hte national coach who is forcing this upon the team?

I am positive that Glen would have been the teams CHOICE to go as 5th with them. If you are playing 50% and losing in a pressure sistuation such as the Worlds, you will more than likely volounteer to take a game out if you feel they will have a greater chance of winning.

Its not always the RCCC and coaches who are the bad guys.
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Anyway who says that it hte national coach who is forcing this upon the team?

I am positive that Glen would have been the teams CHOICE to go as 5th with them. If you are playing 50% and losing in a pressure sistuation such as the Worlds, you will more than likely volounteer to take a game out if you feel they will have a greater chance of winning.

Its not always the RCCC and coaches who are the bad guys.

The team have a very able coach in alan hannah who would have been heavily involved in the selection of the 5th player. alan has coached glen in the past and is well aware of his capabilities. I also believe this WAS the teams decision and not the rccc coaches.

Alan has the experience of coaching at previous world championships where the team finnished on the podium. He knows what worlds are all about and would have been well aware of graemes inexperience at this level prior to leaving for vancouver. considering what happened in ostersund last year - should the team perform poorly and find themselves at the foot of the table again - their main objective will be to avoid relegation, therfore a line-up change will be initiated in hope that results go scotlands way. Alan will make the decisions, the team will trust his decision making. After all TEAM SCOTLAND is 5 players!!!!! After you win the scottish 4 becomes 5 and if an individual is not playing well enough then bench them before it is too late.

I dont think anything is being forced upon the team, alan will be in control of the whole situation and the rccc/support staff services will be used at his request. The team are not new to video analysis/ de briefs etc. alan carried this out for the team several times during the season. the only thing different for the team is having a national coach sitting at the end of the rink each game.

The guys are still in contention but will have to string a few wins together if they are to make playoffs.

Good to see the girls up there fighting as usual.
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